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elise251
21-03-2007, 10:22 PM
A few of you already know but Martin and myself were involved in an accident in the Lotus at the weekend.
Thankfully we are both fine, all be it a bit sore!
No news yet as to what will happen about the car, should find out tomorrow as to whether it's a write off.

We thought you might all like to see some picture's of how well built these tiny little sports cars are as it really did save our lives! It was a high speed impact into the back of an older family hatch. Although the front end of the car is completley gone there is absolutley no damage to the inside of the car, all of the crumple zones worked perfectly to keep us completley unharmed. In fact they worked so well that we didn't even get whiplash, just a few bruises!!

Lotus cars are built and tested to withstand FIA approved impacts as opposed to the NCAP safety systems which most family cars are built to. They are amongst other things remotely driven at speeds of up to 160mph into other cars/barriers so as to make them safe for circuit racing. This means that they are not just driven into concrete walls as NCAP do but are tested so a racing driver can have a high speed crash and get out, all of this testing for the track is implemented into their road legal cars to make them some of the safest cars in the world.


So here they are!!

Tony
21-03-2007, 10:27 PM
Must have been quite an impact, glad to hear no-one was seriously hurt. Hopefully the chassis is still OK and the front end can be rebuilt. It certainly shows one of the big advantages of not having an engine up front in a small car, had it been an MX5 for example, the engine could well have finished up in your lap!

Chris Lynham
21-03-2007, 10:51 PM
OMG !!

Even though i have spoken to you guys since this happened and i know you are both fine ( Ish) i still can't belive the pics.

Thank god Emma is built so well, Fingers crossed that she will be fine as well


xxx

Matt Lynham
21-03-2007, 10:57 PM
It'll polish out, just a minor scratch!!

Glad to hear you're both ok

King Minger
22-03-2007, 12:27 AM
tis but a flesh wound!

elise251
22-03-2007, 12:48 AM
tis but a flesh wound!

Your not having the wheels!

Mr Lotus
22-03-2007, 12:50 AM
and i've got first dibs on the k series engine so there!!!

King Minger
22-03-2007, 01:08 AM
Oooh i hadn't thought of that....

anyway, what makes you think i'd want your stinky old cold-running K ;)

Mr Lotus
22-03-2007, 01:23 AM
ummmm lets see now bog standard and already 167 bhp!!!
And .... it doesn't overheat (not sure why on that one though lol)!!!

Rally Matt
22-03-2007, 09:28 AM
The construction system on the Elise is very clever and safe but very difficult to repair. It uses special rivets and a high tech bonding agent to attach all the parts of the chassis. These are designed to rip off in the event of accident like F1 cars but sadly its a sacrificial process.

This is what allows the Elise to get certification for sale in the USA.

At least you 2 are fully in tact, cars are always replaceable.

At first I thought it looked worse than it was, the chassis looks to be fairly in tact with just the fibreglass bodywork bust, all the wheels are still on so I think provided the chassis is still straight they will repair it. I think cars can go back to Lotus for repair if it needs specialised work. Worth asking about.

ZS
22-03-2007, 10:28 AM
Glad your both OK, looks like the front end is reparable (anything is possible for a price!)

In future however the middle pedal is called a brake pedal and slows/stops the car ;) :confused2 :tongueout

GT
22-03-2007, 10:29 AM
Where are the headlamps?

Next time Martin, try using the brakes ;) :D

Seriously though, glad to hear that everyone is OK and that no-one had been hurt, although I'm sure the ego will be bruised and take a while to heal!

AndrewM
22-03-2007, 11:01 AM
Wow, glad you two are ok.

:cheers:

BeverleyM
22-03-2007, 11:10 AM
Martin, don't forget, hospital today :thumbs1:

elise251
22-03-2007, 12:34 PM
Thanks Bev, were off to the hospital very soon. :love2:

We should hear somthing back today as to what the vedict is on the car. Although it wont be fixed at the dealship we did some quick figures with the machanic and without it even having being up on the ramp its already at about 5k without labour costs. The metal tray that runs under the whole car is bent at the front so thats going to somthing to add. The windows were open when it all happened and it took out the electrics so they wont go up and its being doing various different sorts of weather since then straight onto our nice alcantara!!!



ZS/GT braking is great but ABS makes a world of difference and thats not somthing we had!! :confused2 :confused2

ZS
22-03-2007, 12:41 PM
ZS/GT braking is great but ABS makes a world of difference and thats not somthing we had!! :confused2 :confused2

ABS is for people who can't drive/brake properly and can actually increase braking distances if you know how to brake properly.

That said I havn't dissabled it on the ZS... but I do get very annoyed when it kicks in for no reason (IMO)!

Matt Lynham
22-03-2007, 01:58 PM
The windows were open when it all happened and it took out the electrics so they wont go up

Have they managed to close them now? The photos appear to show them shut:shrug:

MaddAussie
22-03-2007, 02:23 PM
I'll try and find a picture of my mates, the first owner lost it coming off a roundabout and ended up beaching it on a metal railing at 45deg plus angle (about 20 mins after leaving the showroom with his brand new car!) with the railing (the the that goes round staggered crossings) piercing the floor. if they can fix that sure this will be easy

King Minger
22-03-2007, 02:37 PM
Sam, it kicks in for no reason on the zed cos the sensor rings are probably on thier way out....

ZS
22-03-2007, 02:41 PM
Sam, it kicks in for no reason on the zed cos the sensor rings are probably on thier way out....

Where are the sensor rings? so i can check them?

Wouldn't cracked ABS rings have failed the MOT a couple of months ago?

elise251
22-03-2007, 05:46 PM
Have they managed to close them now? The photos appear to show them shut:shrug:


No they aren't closed, there's no electrics, there just not fully open. I think Stratstone have covered them not but that wasn't untill tuesday after all the weather at the weekend!!

Mr Lotus
22-03-2007, 06:03 PM
news just in ...
ribs 4 and 6 (counting from the top to the bottom) are cracked. 6-8 weeks to heal.
As for Abs well, thats for wusses ain't it if you can't drive your car then don't, i hate these machines that do it all for you, thats why i got an elise, who knows one day i'll pluck up the guts to get back in one !!! lol

King Minger
22-03-2007, 06:52 PM
Sorry to thread-jack - normal service will be resumed...
Sam, try this thread
http://forum.brit-cars.com/showthread.php?p=21804#post21804
there's also one on another forum....
they may not be cracked, but be damaged some other way which causes issues.
come round sometime and i'll show you where they are.
normal thread service is restored

Martin - Ouch! what did they hit? the wheel?

Dawn
22-03-2007, 07:26 PM
news just in ...
ribs 4 and 6 (counting from the top to the bottom) are cracked. 6-8 weeks to heal.
As for Abs well, thats for wusses ain't it if you can't drive your car then don't, i hate these machines that do it all for you, thats why i got an elise, who knows one day i'll pluck up the guts to get back in one !!! lol

So you just have to be a miserable git for the next few weeks then ...as laughing makes it hurt more !!!:rotfl:

Glad you are now on the mend :thumbs1:

Matt Lynham
22-03-2007, 09:09 PM
No they aren't closed, there's no electrics, there just not fully open. I think Stratstone have covered them not but that wasn't untill tuesday after all the weather at the weekend!!

Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought from your earlier post they were completely open, but the photos showed a lot of reflection. Of course rain would get in even if they were an inch down.

BeverleyM
23-03-2007, 12:45 AM
Good job you went then Martin - look after yourself and you'll be right as rain in no time :love2:

Alex B
23-03-2007, 01:15 AM
Just seen this thread....great to hear you're both ok...sort of...the car can hopefully be repaired...but in any case at least you've got your own parts stuck to your body.

Take care and have a periodical check at the hospital to avoid hidden "sequels ?"

Sam for ABS on the ZS you should have it checked because on mine it kicks really rarely....even while savagely braking on bumpy roads....not like that on the ZR.

Alex

Excel620
23-03-2007, 11:11 PM
Good grief guys, so glad you are both basically ok.

Get well soon.

I doubt the Elise will be repaired, the chassis construction makes repair very difficult.

Watts
11-04-2007, 02:00 PM
Sorry to hear about your car, Glad your both ok :thumbs2:

Could it be a good chance to get a S2 ?

Watts

MYCaptainChris
11-04-2007, 02:14 PM
best of luck with everything.

elise251
11-04-2007, 05:40 PM
Thank you everyone for your kind words.

A brief call with the bodyshop today would suggest it will be a write off, looks like there is some chassie damage, though I'm not sure how much yet, will know more tomorrow hopefully.

As for a replacement, well, doubt it will be an Elise praps and Exige Turbo S!!
Seriously though, our thoughts at the moment is that were not getting and Elise, think it will be an Esprit, the deal always was that Martin could have an Esprit when I had an Elise, well I had an Elise, was never allowed to drive it, but did have it!! So it's only fair that we have an Esprit now, and we have found a very special one for sale!! An Elise can be brought at anytime at the end of the day, but she will always be with us!!

elise251
17-04-2007, 07:00 PM
Well, just thought I'd let you know that it has offically been confirmed as a write off today, kinda glad, but all seems strange now that its all final!

Alex B
17-04-2007, 07:46 PM
Well if there was chassis damage it's better this way as this is a sport car and trying to get it right would be a no no no.

Time to look for that Esprit now...and this time you should ask to drive it !!!

Alex :)

Tony
17-04-2007, 10:37 PM
At least you know where you stand now and can begin to move forward.

elise251
18-04-2007, 09:12 AM
Time to look for that Esprit now...and this time you should ask to drive it !!!

Alex :)


I wasn't allowed to drive the Elise, and that was mine, don't think there's a chance in hell I'll be allowed to ever drive the Esprit!! lol

Rally Matt
18-04-2007, 09:32 AM
I would go for either another Elise or an Exige. I used to love the Esprit till I drove them and they are not nice and no where near as reliable as the Elise/Exige. Evil handling in the wet too!

If you go for the Toyota engined cars a word of warning. Do not under any circumastances let the oil run under maximum or the engine will lunch itself. I have heard a few stories of various Toyota Celica's with the VVti engine doing the same.

Supercharged Exige is not so much faster than the Std model, we have both at Silverstone so it looks like the std is probably better value.

elise251
18-04-2007, 12:41 PM
I would go for either another Elise or an Exige. I used to love the Esprit till I drove them and they are not nice and no where near as reliable as the Elise/Exige. Evil handling in the wet too!


Supercharged Exige is not so much faster than the Std model, we have both at Silverstone so it looks like the std is probably better value.


It will definatly be an Esprit we go for, our reasons for having a Lotus has nothing to do with handling, performance or reliability, and also, nothing to do with how they perform in the wet, as non of them like it, have experiance this first hand on several occasions!!

If we were ever to get an Exige, it would be a Exige Turbo S, it just sounds so great, I saw one at Castle Combe only a few weeks after they came out and heard it long before I saw it, the noise made me look in the sky for where the plane was at first!


For us owning a Lotus is so much more than just the car, or which model it is, and I'm sure many of you can relate to this as it was very similar reasons for me wanting to own an MG. Its about the marque, the history, the waving and flashing of lights, meeting other Lotus owners and still getting excited about the cars, several years on from me getting into Lotus cars I still get excited if I see another one, and even if I'm in the MG I flash my lights and give a wave, and I get a flash and wave back, if ever we were on the motorway in the Lotus and saw another one, then you have a play, although the only time we've had one going in the same direction was going to Silverstone last year, Martin was in the Lotus and I was in the MG, I left them both to it on that occasion!

TBH I don't really care what Lotus we have next, as long as we do have another one!

Watts
18-04-2007, 04:38 PM
TBH I don't really care what Lotus we have next, as long as we do have another one!


That's just how I feel, so well said !

They all seem to be a wonderful drive and as for Esprits well from S1 - S4 they all seem to offer something really special

Which Esprit are you thinking of going for ?

Watts

:uj2:

Beaker
18-04-2007, 08:31 PM
How about this one...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LOTUS-ESPRIT-BLACK_W0QQitemZ190103937087QQihZ009QQcategoryZ4311 4QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Mr Lotus
18-04-2007, 10:14 PM
yeah that'd be pretty much perfect!!
now lottery win for bigger garage..........

elise251
19-04-2007, 10:02 AM
Which Esprit are you thinking of going for ?

Watts

:uj2:


We're looking into getting a Turbo Esprit, in the Essex colour's, it's Martin's dream car and I've found one for sale!!

elise251
15-01-2008, 03:41 PM
Much to my surprise, (and martin's!) while looking on auto trader the other night I came across our car for sale! Describe in the advert as having had light front end fiberglass damaged, fully repaired and in excellent condition!

I am well aware that insurance companies can sell on Cat C damage cars to be repaired and that is not my issue, my issue is with the guy selling it as light fiberclass damage, and all he had done was the front clam replaced, no chassis damage, no radiator damage, no electric damage etc etc. Now I was told that the car did have chassis damage, hence it being a write off as Lotus wont repair the chassis, if all that needed doing to the car was a 1500 clam shell repair then the car would be nicely tucked away in our garage! The guy also states only one headlight was missing!

Somewhere down the line someone has told lies and its fair to say I'm not impressed, I have however contacted the insurance company and asked for a full engineers report to find out exactly what repairs needed doing!

So, if you know anyone looking to buy a Lotus Elise I'd suggest they stay well clear of this car, hopefully most people will have some alarm bells ringing if they see it as it's priced extreamly cheaply!

Rally Matt
15-01-2008, 03:53 PM
Hmmm see this a lot.

Insurance companies get quite a bit back in on salvage so they are keen to see it get the best possible prices, it reduces the profits they would otherwise loose.

Then as you say further down the line others are making their cut, its common for salvage to get a few tweaks on the jig before being offered as an easy repair.

I have see a lot of cars intially offered as a quick and cheap car to repair but I can see a lot of heavy duty repair work needing skilled people before some vehicles make it back on the road.

Nice to see you are following it up. Maybe its only 1 person but if you ask questions of how its now being offered its a start.

Ralph
16-01-2008, 12:46 AM
We've had a few cars come through our garage that have recently been bought by unsuspecting people. One car that we worked on was a MG ZT that had a Rover 75 strut, hub and brake disk on the front driver's side!

drew355
26-01-2008, 03:24 PM
Hello,

Just joined here as we found one of your stickers on the brake light of our new car. Yep, its your old 111S. I knew that an elise with just light front damage wouldnt be that cheap so went in with my eyes open. I had a lotus mechanic look the car over before we bought it & was aware of the chassis damage.
He said the official lotus line was that if it had gone into them to have the work done the chassis would be replaced. I am an aeronautical engineer and have worked on kit cars and normal cars for years so I have a reasonable idea about structures and which areas are load bearing etc.

The clam has been replaced with second hand as have both headlamps. The crash structure wheel arch liners and various other bits are brand new (still with lotus stickers on). The bloke repairs lots of elises and strips some salvage ones so some bits (wipers mechanism etc) are second hand.

Overall there is no way we could have afforded this car if it wasnt damaged.

Cheeky qn, but there is no way you have the old handbook or service history is there? Also we only have one set of keys and no stereo cover! I checked the history with stratstones prior to buying.

Is there anything else we should know about the car?

I have just finished polishing it so will get some pics up tonight or tomorrow.

Cheers
Andy

Tony
26-01-2008, 03:47 PM
Welcome to BCF. I'll point the previous owners in this direction in case they don't spot your post.

BeverleyM
26-01-2008, 04:24 PM
Excellent Drew!

Welcome to BCF. At least the poorly car has had a happy ending, bringing a new member here :clap:

drew355
28-01-2008, 12:03 AM
Thanks for the info. She looks a bit better now!!

Rojo
29-01-2008, 11:04 PM
Elise 251,

May I correct you on what L.O.T.U.S. stands for, it's
:flag1: Loads Of Technology Uniquely Styled.:flag1:

Best Regards, Rojo

elise251
29-01-2008, 11:27 PM
Elise 251,

May I correct you on what L.O.T.U.S. stands for, it's
:flag1: Loads Of Technology Uniquely Styled.:flag1:

Best Regards, Rojo


I beg to differ, have you seen the pictures on the first page of this thread, it was lots of trouble and to me, it was extreamly serious!!