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Mat C
10-10-2005, 01:10 PM
Following on from some discussion on another thread, what are folks ultimate favourite real world car ? I say real world as it's all too easy to say a Ferrari this or a Lamborghini that. So favourite real world car and a brief explanation why ? I'll start.

Mines the BMW M3 - all 3 generations. Contraversial i know but i genuinly love the car. Having been priveladged enough to drive one a few times i can comment genuinly about it. Of all 3 generations my favourite has to be the E36 GT model. Only 50 were ever made. They have usable power that can keep up with the fastest cars in the world in a real world situation, they have a subtle 2 door styling yet remain a true 4 seater with a large, practical boot and have one of the best sounding engines ever. They are also relatively cheap to run and maintain compared with other cars of similar spec.

Now please, no flaming or digs. I've started this thread out of genuine interest to see what other folks favourites are, regardless of wether we like or agree about them !

DEBBIE
10-10-2005, 01:14 PM
VW Corrada Storm V6 (sp)

This car was well ahead of it's time and still looks absolutley fabulous now. I'd have one as a second car anyday and they held their value fantastically because of the desirability.

Mat C
10-10-2005, 01:15 PM
Good choice Debbie, and very true - they still look excellent !

davebreen
10-10-2005, 01:24 PM
impossible to limit it to one but out of all the cars ive had,my first r5 turbo was about the best bang per buck at the time,,,very very rapid.

GT
10-10-2005, 01:30 PM
To be perfectly honest, I'd like something a little more unique...

Its probably all to easy for me to say an SV (money being no objection) but I quite have a hankering to build something myself as well, something to say 'I did that' with decent performance and a nice interior. As many know I'm a big 'retro' style car fan, so maybe a modified MG Metro or MGB GT with some more updated engines and bespoke interiors etc etc...

I have many other projects in mind though, including a front engined K2000 powered 4WD Streetwise Commerce, or a mid-engined, KV6 powered 4WD Z6R4.

Some would call me daft, stupid or maybe even blind and rose tinted at the thought of sticking with MG - but I still like the idea :D

Rally Matt
10-10-2005, 01:31 PM
Lancia Delta HF Integrale Kat, (Mistakenly often referred to as an Evo 3 but Lancia didn't call them that, Mitso****ty do that)

The balance and finesse in the chassis, brakes, steering and every part of driving the cars is just amazing. Engineering at its finest. The style is unique, unfussy and almost timeless. Few things can match the presence of an Integrale, (ZT is one)

Forget all the stories about poor reliability and rust, I have driven, sold, re sold and sold again literally 100's of these beasts and like anything properly maintained they are relatively cheap to run and very reliable.

Its not an easy car to master and the factory Group A cars are a real handful, but Lancia built the car to be the best at what it does, not to flatter a talentless driver or a point and squirt merchant.

Thats why it will always remain an icon of motoring, an orginal.

The name Integrale is generally assumed to mean "all" as in all wheel drive but the translation is not direct, it also means, pure, not diluted, raw, something more appropriate, it is a barely tamed monster.

Its worth remembering that in the World Rally Championship the Lancia Delta Integrale in all its variants from Delta HF4x4, Integrale (8v), Integrale (16v), HF Integrale it was never beaten in the manufacturers title, 6 straight titles from 87-92, thats what I call World Domination! :car2:

jld
10-10-2005, 01:41 PM
For me it would be Lotus. 1st choice would be a Europa Special (big valve engine and 5 speed box) otherwise an Elan Sprint.

620Turbo
10-10-2005, 02:31 PM
Lancia Delta HF Integrale Kat, (Mistakenly often referred to as an Evo 3 but Lancia didn't call them that, Mitso****ty do that)

The balance and finesse in the chassis, brakes, steering and every part of driving the cars is just amazing. Engineering at its finest. The style is unique, unfussy and almost timeless. Few things can match the presence of an Integrale, (ZT is one)

Forget all the stories about poor reliability and rust, I have driven, sold, re sold and sold again literally 100's of these beasts and like anything properly maintained they are relatively cheap to run and very reliable.

Its not an easy car to master and the factory Group A cars are a real handful, but Lancia built the car to be the best at what it does, not to flatter a talentless driver or a point and squirt merchant.

Thats why it will always remain an icon of motoring, an orginal.

The name Integrale is generally assumed to mean "all" as in all wheel drive but the translation is not direct, it also means, pure, not diluted, raw, something more appropriate, it is a barely tamed monster.

Its worth remembering that in the World Rally Championship the Lancia Delta Integrale in all its variants from Delta HF4x4, Integrale (8v), Integrale (16v), HF Integrale it was never beaten in the manufacturers title, 6 straight titles from 87-92, thats what I call World Domination! :car2:

Nice post. I have always loved these cars, but have never been in one as yet. There was one at my local garage, owned by the mechanic and he had just taken someone out for a spin and they were all standing round it in total awe of it.

My personal choice. . . . . . . . . . . . I am really not sure. I would love to go out in an E39 M5, which from the 530 I have driven, I would anticipate being a real tooll.

For the moment, I think it has to be an E46 M3 as an all round car . . . . . Peerless build, fantastic engine and handling, reasonable economy and mileage eating ability, excellent residuals, blah blah. A few reliability horror stories - especially relating to VANOS.

I have driven a Cerbera which took my breath away, would wipe the floor with the M3, but it was not a good enough all rounder, which is what I would look for in a car. I was hoping that a 260 would eat the M3, but from what I have heard, it is not polished enough.

DEBBIE
10-10-2005, 04:06 PM
For me it would be Lotus. 1st choice would be a Europa Special (big valve engine and 5 speed box) otherwise an Elan Sprint.

I always wanted a Lotus and infact my Dad just before he died made Geoff promise to stop me spending my inheritance on one. I bought a Rover 214SI instead as my dad was MG and Rover through and through, I felt it befitting since it was technically his money I was spending.

620Turbo
10-10-2005, 04:12 PM
VW Corrada Storm V6 (sp)

This car was well ahead of it's time and still looks absolutley fabulous now. I'd have one as a second car anyday and they held their value fantastically because of the desirability.

Quality car. A defo classic. Don't see many around any more.

DEBBIE
10-10-2005, 04:15 PM
They didn't produce many and I think they stopped on a J or L reg but now they are like Rocking horse poop. Love the emerald kinda green it came in.

620Turbo
10-10-2005, 04:47 PM
Classic green (250 made). Mystic Blue (250 made).

I seem to remember they received critical acclaim for their handling too. In fact, they used to get rave reviews at the time. Don't see many now. . . . . .

Alex B
10-10-2005, 07:58 PM
If I had the money I'd sure go for an MG SVR but being realistic I must admit...never sad other way ;) ...I'd get a BMW M3...but that's it !!! so don't bang me on the head :lol3:


I've driven my brother's BMW 540i and it pulls like mad...handling is something different as my ZS180 will put it into shame :rotfl:


Alex

Alex B
10-10-2005, 07:59 PM
Debbie are we talking VW Corrado VR6 then ?....I had the VW Golf VR6 and the chasis was something you wouldn't like to have to deal with...suppose the Corrado was better...anyway the looks are still in shape :hug:

Alex :xyxwave:

blue harbour
10-10-2005, 08:15 PM
Mine would have to be a sapphire 4x4 cossie!!!!

I had a hankering for one for ages- loved the looks, and the on-boost performance!, and after driving my mates- it made me want one even more!

Granted there are downsides to these car's, such as monumental turbo lag- and a very dated lookin interior!, but the +'s for me- more than make up for this!

Oh- and my absolute fav(at the moment!) in a money no object world would probably be an aston martin DB9!!!!!!!- although there is a part of me that say's pagani zonda too!:flag1:

TimH
10-10-2005, 08:44 PM
Mine would be an original 427 AC Shelby Cobra. I just love the rounded curves and the brutal power.:hug:

Alex B
10-10-2005, 08:54 PM
Ok then...can I have a lot of all the cars mentioned previously please ? ;) ..I'd like to drive one each day of the week if possible !!!

Alex :cry2: :crazy:

Mat C
10-10-2005, 08:55 PM
Harbs, even the mention of a Sapphire Cosworth makes me want another one again ! Awesome cars despite the bad points you point out !

blue harbour
10-10-2005, 09:05 PM
Harbs, even the mention of a Sapphire Cosworth makes me want another one again ! Awesome cars despite the bad points you point out !

;)

I've never owned one myself, but like i say- having driven one made me like & respect em even more!

I know that there's a saying-"never meet your hero's - cos they're always a dissapointment!", but in the case of the cossie- nothing could be farther from the truth!

Mind you- same could be said for my zs180 too!- cos i really wanted one of those- ever since i 1st saw the original concept shot's etc!- and read about how good a drive they were etc etc!- i never actually thought i'd end up owning something i'd dreamed about having!- and never imagined it could be every bit as good as what i read that they were too!:flag1: , but as fate would have it!- i now own/drive & enjoy one for myself!

But there is still that side of me that still desires a cossie too!;)

Wirly
11-10-2005, 06:58 AM
for performance would love a caterham r500 evolution mad car total thrill
for more everyday car would be Fiat coupe Le, fantastic looks goes like a train and cheap really for what it is.
driven a few and standard ones are quick (quicker than M3 in gear), they are one of them underated cars like th Z180 a bit of a sleeper :)

ZS
11-10-2005, 09:48 AM
My fav car has to be the 1967 Shelby Mustang GT500 (Eleanor) :D

When I get a spare 20k I'm going to buy one!

Other than that the ZS180 I've got fits most of the bill of my fav family car...

http://membres.lycos.fr/fordmustang/mustangv8/photos/1967%20GT%20500%20Shelby%20Mustang%202.jpg

MartinW
11-10-2005, 10:47 AM
I like raw, sporty, and a bit different, and one of my favourite cars was the one I inherited along with the girlfriend (now wife) which was her Datsun 180U SSS based on the East African Safari models with OHC twin Jap SU carbs and the right exhaust bark. This made all the right noises, handled brilliantly being rwd, and nobody paid it much attention because it was Japanese. In fact if only British cars of the 70s had had the reliability of these cars, BL/ARG/MG R might be in a very different situation today. Based on this, the one car I have always promised myself I would love to own is a Datsun 240/260z.
Other than that, a Rover V8, maybe.

DaveyHird
11-10-2005, 11:00 AM
Noble M12 GTO or Lotus Elise (mk1) for me.

Mk1 Exige also.

620Turbo
11-10-2005, 12:41 PM
Debbie are we talking VW Corrado VR6 then ?....I had the VW Golf VR6 and the chasis was something you wouldn't like to have to deal with...suppose the Corrado was better...anyway the looks are still in shape :hug:

Alex :xyxwave:

Alex, one of my ex-girlfriends had a 3 door VR6 highline in mulberry. Handling was cack as you say.

I have been in a Corrado a long time ago and was impressed with the handling, don't know what the differences are but I know the Corrado uses the Golf of the times floorplan and lots of other bits. Suspension must be a lot different though.

Tony
11-10-2005, 12:52 PM
Lots of interesting cars mentioned above, but not many that I would think of as being 'real world' or practicle. Lots of exotics which while capable of being used daily are hardly an everyday car (when was the last time you saw a Noble on the road?)

Still trying to decide what my ultimate everyday car would be. There's lots of very capable machines that are able to transport 4 adults plus a couple of cases.

Mat C
11-10-2005, 12:56 PM
Tony, another reason why the M3 E36 is my ultimate - it also comes in 4 door shape !

DaveyHird
11-10-2005, 12:59 PM
For everyday practical use..

EVO6 then.

:lol3:

Goose
11-10-2005, 07:36 PM
Minis. Can't beat 'em.

byron
11-10-2005, 08:14 PM
Alfa-sud ti the best handling car i have ever owned :music:

Gav
12-10-2005, 07:31 PM
Rx-8

love them look smart go like stink and you can say its only got a 1.4 engine

GNASHER
13-10-2005, 06:49 AM
Range Rover classic and if the cash would s t r e c h one "looked at" by Overfinch.Holden V8,Commodore(saloon),Monaro or Maloo(ute)

Wak
13-10-2005, 02:50 PM
No one mentioned a 911!

I'd have any one but a Turbo or GT3 would be nice


Wak

or a ZT-T

Mat C
13-10-2005, 02:59 PM
Read post 1 and you'll know why !! It's not about Supercars and the like , it's about EVERYDAY AFORDABLE cars !

Tony
13-10-2005, 03:07 PM
Given the everyday and affordable brief. I think a ZT or ZT-T are worthy of consideration. I'd go for the V6 rather than the V8 too. For something a bit quicker I really don't know without going for one of the obvious German's. If practicality can be sacrificed then there are loads of options.

Wak
13-10-2005, 04:52 PM
sorry Mat didnt notice as people were mentioning SV's and the like.
They aint very real world to me but did see 1 once and that was Mr Flints

GNASHER
13-10-2005, 05:32 PM
Read post 1 and you'll know why !! It's not about Supercars and the like , it's about EVERYDAY AFORDABLE cars !
Mat,Holdens are everyday afordable Supercars

GNASHER
13-10-2005, 05:50 PM
Afordable? Holden Ute 5.7 V8,02,27000 miles,12500
" HSV GTS,Xreg,54000 miles,19995
And that's dealer prices

Mat C
13-10-2005, 06:14 PM
No one doubts a Holden as an everyday usable car Gnasher ! True 4 seater with a huge boot and affordable - Real world stuff !

Mat C
13-10-2005, 06:25 PM
A couple of used M3's i've found - both at different ends of the spectrum :

1996 N plate E36 M3 Evo 4dr' , 94500 miles 6250

2002 '02 plate E46 M3 Coupe , 55900 miles 23999

jld
13-10-2005, 06:25 PM
just in case anyone doubts my choice of a lotus europa as an everyday car. I had one for a year or so and used it everyday ;)

Seamaster
13-10-2005, 07:45 PM
Money no object last of the real Astons, please:

http://www.bondmovies.com/qbranch/cars/v8.jpg

Otherwise, the next best British V8:

http://www.carpages.co.uk/mg_rover/mg_rover_images/mg_rover_rover_75_v8_26_05_04.jpg

620Turbo
13-10-2005, 08:29 PM
Money being not a major object and with free fuel, I would be on the same track as Glenn.

A Rover 75 V8 manual with all the trimmings in a special colour.

Magnette Man
16-10-2005, 01:42 AM
Hmmm, this is a tricky one. I've been thinking for a while now... there really is nothing that does it for me on a performance car basis than an MG SV. Raw, agressive muscle car looks with a purring V8 - ideal 2nd car really. Other than that nothing else listed above and nothing that I can think of ticks all my boxes.

When I grew up I had a strange taste in cars. I always loved the Nissan Primera 2.0 eGT (mark I) and 2.0 GT (Mark II) (as used by Tiff Needell in the BTCC and David Leslie and Reid) - always promised myself I'd own a Primera. Then I got a love for Seat. Loved the Seat Ibiza - SEATs always have a sense of style and fun with performace - Ibiza Cupra fR! Then I grew a love for MG - and the SV rocks my boat!!

Mat C
16-10-2005, 11:45 AM
But is the SV a real world car Dave ?! ;) Can't exactly go to Ikea in, pick up some flat packs and drive home with them in the boot can you ? 50,000 entry fee makes it a bit un-real too !! Plus it's slow ! :lol3:

FATurbo - EXPRESS
16-10-2005, 12:00 PM
Nissan Skyline R34 or brand new Ford Mustand by Saleen.

Mat C
16-10-2005, 12:06 PM
Mustang Saleen, Mmmm ! I was behind one when i was working in Shephards Bush. Big black beasty and the noise was monsterous. As it accelerated away we could still here it half a mile away inside our car with music on and all the other traffic (which in London is LOUD !).

I think in general the new Mustangs an excellent car. Good looks, good power, VERY low price !

Seamaster
16-10-2005, 01:26 PM
Couldn't agree more. I've been very impressed by the few Mustangs I've managed to get up-close-and-personal with. The build quality, in particular, is exceptional. As a performance car value proposition, the Mustang has no peer.

King Minger
19-10-2005, 11:21 PM
Have to agree with Deb about the Corrado, though i'd probably try and hunt out a G60.... ;) I remember Clarkson's review back in the day (when he didn't have his head shoved so far up his own rectum) " it's like espresso - one shot and it blows your head off!" never been in a situation to own one tho, any petrol car is impractical for me atm, and that doesn't look like changing anytime soon :( There was a colour not too dissimilar to dark fantasy, which looks stunning on them, and someone at my last office had one!

for a really impractical, but definitely real world, a new 'stang definitely ticks lots of boxes for me! and definitely something i'm considering in the medium term, soon as the opportunity arises....
saw a GT in traffic just today, but he wasn't up for 'giving us a tune' :lol:

But my wish list changes on a daily basis, purely cos i'd always comapre it to the zed!

Mat C
20-10-2005, 12:56 AM
It seems that the new Mustang is a popular choice, even with it being a brand new car ! As stated, it certainly ticks the right boxes ! It's powerful, it's practical and it's fast. But most of all it's totaly afordable. A ZT260 costs more and a Mustang shares the same engine yet it's far more powerful. In the Evo magazine, issue 083 September it had the Mustang in the Fast Fleet section. It's quoted at 300 bhp. They dynoed (sp) it. It came out at 370.7 bhp with 338.6ib.ft torque. This is with no modifications ! I've heard of ZT260's on the rollers being dynoed at 240 bhp. The Mustang rules !!!!